In the early eighties, this interviewee went to university in Zadar, where he studied history and philosophy. He served in the army in the borderland garrison in Surdulica, near Vladičin Han in southern Serbia. During his university years, he noticed that nationalism among the various groups in Yugoslavia was rapidly growing, and that the churches had a hand in this. It was only towards ‘Bloody Easter’ and with the Serb barricades however, that he realised that war would be unavoidable. Then Mladić attacked Drniš and the real fighting started. From being a history and philosophy student he suddenly became a soldier. He had to guard prisoners from the JNA and later on he joined the forces nearer to the frontier. In this interview he elaborately describes what he saw from within the Croatian forces during the war years.